Feeling a little bummed

Hi Guys

I’m feeling a little overwhelmed at the moment. I’ve been feeling horrific these past few days & its becoming hard to see my life without chronic MAV again.

Its really up & down - I have periods of feeling better - but when its get really bad it makes me so unhappy. I am really tired of fighting this & my other ailments. Do you think it ever really goes? I had 18 months without it & then it came back which makes me think once you have something wrong with your brain its game over forever.

I am taking a year to go travelling to see if a break helps, but terrified of feeling ill the whole time. My neuro has taken me off all meds ( they didnt help) as she wants to see if the time away will calm things down. I am being treated by a very good alternative doctor, who thinks she can help my dizziness. I guess I should give it some time & he has helped my Interstitial Cystitis.

I have also put so much pressure on myself to get better - & what if I’m still ill this time next year. I can imagine taking another high pressured job & being ill again. Its so tough & depressing. I also think how am I ever going to meet a woman who wants to put up with all my illness? I lost a very special GF after 4 years, because she couldnt handle me & my illness anymore ( I dont blame her, but its so UNFAIR).She was the most understanding & loving person you can meet, but I guess at age 25 its all too much & drives you apart.

In short - I’m shit scared about the future & what it holds. Before all this I had everything - great career ahead of me, great life, & potential wife. Now as each year of MAV goes by it seems less & less likely.

For the 1st time in ages I broke down in front of my father & balled my eyes out. I normally never let the emotion get to me & I always fight MAV & appear upbeat. Just feel like I’m on my last mile & MAV is going to break my will.

Sorry for the whinge. Needed to vent. Its just so shit.

In this day and age anything goes so I hope you aren’t offended when I ask are you a guy? Lol.
Why I got confused is you said you have interstitial cystitis. By and large, those who get it are women, not men.
I have it, but fortunately I rarely deal with it since my initial episode-- my remissions are long.
Initially it was absolutely horrible.

I’m sorry you are feeling down. I can certainly understand your increased upset, given your young age.
Hang in there. Lately I’ve been thinking the reason some of us are suffering so horribly is to lead us to our calling,
that would not have happened otherwise, had we stayed healthy.

Food for thought.

Heather

Yep I’m defintely a man! IC is rare in men but its becoming more common apparently. I had it initially for 4 months in 2005, then it dissapeared & I have had it back since Sept 07. Its nasty & not much fun to deal with while being dizzy!

Sorry to hear you have had it. I’m convinced the dizziness & bladder problems are linked - chinese medicine states that they are.

Hey Rascal,

Really sorry you are feeling so lousy at the moment. If it helps at all, I really know where you’re at in how you’re feeling. I’m in a chronic state at the moment too, weaning off SJW, constant headches, some dysequilibrium, and feeling flat as a pancake – and thinking all of the stuff you are. My current contract runs out in April and then I’ll have to be really pro-active and find a post-doc position somewhere, maybe in another Aussie city or another part of the world. Once upon a time, the thought of just moving to a brand new place excited the hell out of me but now it’s a massive burden because of this migraine garbage.

And the GF issue. I too lost a long-term relationship partly because of this … and dating when this thing is hanging around just goes into the “too hard” basket. I actually went out with one girl earlier this year who, after a few weeks, said she had “issues” with the fact that I couldn’t drink wine with my dinner! Couldn’t bloody believe it. To be fair she had just come out of some divorce and her ex had some horrific neurological problem that makes MAV look like a cake walk but still. I hit the trap door on that one.

But I think a plan of attack is needed now before your trip next year - something that will give you some hope and make you feel excited about travelling. I’d like to tell you that it will just vanish once you start travelling but given my experience it doesn’t pan out like that, and might in fact give you more shit with plane flights, different foods, lack of sleep here and there etc. So, thus far you’ve tried pizotifen, amitriptyoline and one other old class AD correct? Would you consider trying Topamax? I ask because not only is it the first choice of Prof Hain but I know of another guy who has had amazing results on it (50 mg/day). He went from total armageddon 6 months ago to feeling about 95% now. In fact, if this hormone program thing I’m doing doesn’t work, I might revisit Topamax but start at an even lower dose than last time. Here’s what Hain says:

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The author of this review (Hain) usually starts patients with topamax, and proceeds on to try effexor, verapamil, propranolol and then ami or nortriptyline. It is very unusual that headache control is not attained. When one “group” doesn’t work, he may combine two or 3 groups simultaneously (anticonvulsant, blood-pressure agent, antidepressant).

Topiramate (Topamax). Very effective but expensive. Unlike most headache prevention medications, Topiramate often promotes weight loss, even with low doses, due to anorexia (loss of appetite). Typical doses are 25mg/day to 200 mg/d. In the author’s clinical practice in Chicago, 50-100 mg is the usual target dose, as this amount seems to have the best combination of cost/benefit. Topiramate is expensive and in large doses has peculiar cognitive effects, such as trouble finding words (Mula et al, 2003). Topiramate is not a good drug for people whose job involves manipulating words. About 50% of patients develop tingling in hands/fingers on startup. This effect usually fades out in about 2 weeks. Peak effect doesn’t occur till 3 months, so trials must be made over long periods. The author has encountered a few patients who became severely depressed on topiramate – they were also on Effexor, so this may be a drug-drug interaction. On the positive side, small doses are usually side effect free. Also, topiramate does not affect blood pressure.

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This drug seems to work wonders or isn’t well-tolerated. It gave me suicidal thoughts but it may have been because I was also taking SJW. So the guy I know on this stuff has zero SEs. My brother’s wife takes it and has zero SEs. Both are migraine free.

Have a read of Hain’s page again here to have a think about what your options are:

dizziness-and-balance.com/di … ntion.html

Also have a listen to this mp3 recording made by a North Carolina guru, James U. Adelman, MD, about migraine prevention. He is at the Headache Wellness Centre in Greensboro, North Carolina. This guy is on fire:

mvertigo.org/audio/migraine_management.mp3

There are some accompanying notes here:

mvertigo.org/articles/migrai … digest.pdf

Let me know what you think.

Hang in there … Scott 8)

Hi Rascal

Im really sorry I can’t make any of this any better for you but I do know what your going through. I’ve lost a great job which I had been working extremely hard towards for ten years, I’ve been forced to rent my home out and move in with my parents, I lost a couple of good friends who couldn’t cope with me being ill and I lost a BF who I liked very much (so, it can be the same from the other side as well!!) I also worry about who would go out with me as an ill person.

I was so devatated about these losses, but recently it has got easier. I’ve realised the man and the friends weren’t worth it, I feel freer without having to work to pay the mortgage and I have taken up hobbies I would never have considered before. In other words, I know it sounds cheesy but I think things happen for a reason. Sometimes when you lose everything it sets you free. And when you get better (which you will!!), you can start again and it will be a lot better because you will have learnt a lot about yourself and what you want.

Take care

Becky

P.S. WHen I am feeling down, will someone remind about this post!! :slight_smile:

Thanks for all your replies.

I should probably give Topamax a try, but I feel like I need to clean my body out of drugs for the moment. I’ve been on Pizotifen/ Epilim constantly since May.

You are probably right Scott - it wont just dissapear on its own. My issue is every medicine I take irriatates my bladder issue - so its a no win situation.

I do have a prescription for Propranolol - does anyone have any experience of this drug?

Dizzy Rascal

I have been on Propranolol for 10 months and it stopped the nausea but didn’t relieve any of my other symptoms. I do know people who have had more success with it though. I didn’t get any side effects at 160mg/day but did feel quite tired at 240mg. A supplement of Co-Enzyme Q10 relieves this side effect though.

Becky

Hi becky

gee thats quite a lot of mg. I been given 20mg twice daily!!!

Sorry to hear it didnt help your dizziness. may I ask why you are still on it if thats the case? Might be better to try something else?

Cheers

Luke

Luke

I know, it is high dose. Lets just say I feel very chilled out on it! Although my Neuro did say I could go higher to 320mg if I wanted, but I felt way too tired on that dose.

I stay on it because it stops the terrible nausea, which I simply cannot function with. I am also trialling other drugs while continuing to take it, so don’t worry! I have struggled with side effects of many drugs so have been through quite a lot of them.

Take care, Becky

Rascal -

I’ve been on propanolol for almost 3 years. (Propanolol was prescribed for me 20 years ago when I was told my panic attacks were due to mitral valve prolapse. I took it then for a couple years, and my “panic attacks” stopped, so I stopped taking it.). When I was diagnosed with MAV I chose it again, because I had taken it before, and it felt “safe”.

I take 60 mg a day. (20mg a.m. - 40 mg. pm). Whenever I hear Becky describe the amount she’s taking, I say to myself “Oh - no way. It would put me into a 24 hour sleep”). Sorry Becky :mrgreen:

The only SE’s for me with Prop is fatigue. They told me in the beginning, it would go away, but it didn’t. I just chose to tolerate it. Has it helped me? I believe it has. I’m not housebound anymore, and my dizziness isn’t 24/7. I’m at about 80-85% most days.

People ask me quite often, why I don’t try some of the other newer preventatives out there. Mostly because I feel “safe” with it, and I’ve been fairly happy with the results its given me.

Kim

Rascal

First of all I a so sorry you are feeling this way right now as I can relate to that feeling. You are so young to have to be going through all of this now.

Know that if nothing else we are hear to listen if nothing else because I do not believe anyone has all the answers as this is IMO a very complicated disease because it effects everyone differently.

But I think you will find you are among people here who understand and will listen without judgment. And that is important as we all go on this unpleasant journey. Maybe somewhere in our travels we will be able to find something that if it does not cure our disease will at least make it manageable.

I am 47 and until last year I had a pretty darn good life, until this jumped up and bit me in the rear and took all of what I had known was living away from me. I have had a pretty successful career , raised a family and looked forward to the day I could retire with my husband and spend the rest of our lives enjoying life. The last year has been anything but enjoyable for me as I have fought first and foremost to understand and find out what was wrong and now I am trying to figure out what to do to fix it or at least make it manageable. I am not there yet but I vow to keep trying and finding the right doctor to hepl me through this living hell.

I hope you find some peace in the understanding that there are those of us that understand and those who will listen and will offer advice of what has worked for us. I can not do that yet as I have not yet found that …but I will keep trying. Please do the same.

We are a special group that sometimes need to lean on each other for support and by all mean I do not consider it whining it is getting it out so our emotions do not over take the ability to move forward and keep trying to find a resolution to our disease.

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Rascal -

I’ve been on propanolol for almost 3 years. (Propanolol was prescribed for me 20 years ago when I was told my panic attacks were due to mitral valve prolapse. I took it then for a couple years, and my “panic attacks” stopped, so I stopped taking it.). When I was diagnosed with MAV I chose it again, because I had taken it before, and it felt “safe”.

I take 60 mg a day. (20mg a.m. - 40 mg. pm). Whenever I hear Becky describe the amount she’s taking, I say to myself “Oh - no way. It would put me into a 24 hour sleep”). Sorry Becky :mrgreen:

The only SE’s for me with Prop is fatigue. They told me in the beginning, it would go away, but it didn’t. I just chose to tolerate it. Has it helped me? I believe it has. I’m not housebound anymore, and my dizziness isn’t 24/7. I’m at about 80-85% most days.

People ask me quite often, why I don’t try some of the other newer preventatives out there. Mostly because I feel “safe” with it, and I’ve been fairly happy with the results its given me.

Kim

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Kim

No offence taken! :mrgreen: I must just have been lucky with it, although I am due some luck cos I haven’t had any with any other preventatives!

Becky

I hear ya Becky!!!
:mrgreen:

Propanalol I found OK at up to 40 mg, my daily headaches were lessened although the big migraines broke through, I needed more, I have known people get rid of this if they can get up to 90 mg a day and above. As soon as I went over 40 I would get bad insomnia, loose bowels. Shame, it was one of the better ones I tried.
Best Wishes
Christine

Hey Luke,

You remember hbep on the healthboard? She was virtually cured on 20 mg of prop 3 years ago but it wore off after a while. She’s now on about 40 mg and not brilliant but ok to do most things. The real thorn in her side is light sensitivity. Do you have that at all?

Another one you can try if you don’t like propranolol is atenolol. All of the beta blockers have the same efficacy but atenolol has the lowest SE profile. It apparently does not cause the lethargy that the others can. Adleman talks about it in that mp3.

Scott 8)

Have the ones who use the beta blockers has success with the motion intolerance on them? And since they are usually prescribed for blood pressure would you say they are safe for people whose blood pressure is normal or low most of the time?

Hi Timeless,

If you check out the mp3 by Adleman, you’ll see that he uses heart rate as the endpoint for dosing. As long as it stays around 60–70 bpm, he says he’s happy to crank up the dose. It’s all very individual and will depend on how your body reacts.

Scott 8)

Thanks I will go back and listen. The reason I was asking is my normal blood pressure is 90/60 most all the time. My heart rate is higher since I am a smoker .(88 to 90)

Hmmm … that is a really low BP. Best to run it by your doc I think. S

I’m currently taking Toprol XL, another beta blocker. No improvement yet, but I’ve only been on it for a month. I too have naturally low blood pressure, although not quite as low as yours, Timeless. The doctor is just keeping an eye on it. I haven’t had any blackouts or dizziness when standing episodes. I’m still having my typical vertigo and other movement perceptions though. The one good side effect I’ve noticed is I don’t get nearly as tired in the afternoon since I started taking it. It doesn’t give me a noticeable boost of energy, but it seems to help me with endurance to get through my day. My neurologist chose Toprol for me because his patients seem to tolerate it better than other beta blockers.