Petadolex Butterbur Gelcaps … bur_01.htm

Anyone ever tried this supplement and have you gotten any relief.

I tried it for a couple of months, it didn’t make any difference at all.


Keep in mind that gelcaps = gelatin = MSG. Why companies consistently create migraine preventatives/abortives with triggers in them is beyond me.

Doesn’t that just drive you crazy??? when I was taking supplements I just started opening them up and adding the stuff to water, or cottage cheese or something. I’m thinking “are these people clueless or do they just want to torture us further ??”

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Keep in mind that gelcaps = gelatin = MSG. Why companies consistently create migraine preventatives/abortives with triggers in them is beyond me.

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A story a little off topic from this thread. When I was in boot camp, I got to spend a week in the chow hall doing general duties. There were a couple of incidents where somebody threw some gelatin on the ceiling and wall, and it sticks real good to walls and ceilings I found out while trying to get at it on the ceiling. :mrgreen:


speaking of MSG .

I think it was kim that bought up the flue shot somewhere down the line.
Wondering if people had felt they had been effected by it in anyway.
There are some tricky ingrediance in the flue shot, including gentermycin mercury and MSG. recently reprinted an article from Health.Com about the flu shot. This article cites medical professionals and researchers who aren’t comfortable with the ingredients found in the flu shot. In fact, one chemical, a preservative called thimerosal, is banned in vaccinations and medications in various U.S. States including California, New York and Delaware. Yet the majority of flu shot manufacturers still use thimerosal as a preservative. The concern is that thimerosal is about 50% mercury and the link between mercury and Autism is still undetermined. Although there are some flu shots available that don’t have mercury, they are a minority and usually are only available by special request.

In addition to the concern regarding thimerosal, there are other ingredients in the flu shots that are questionable: formaldehyde, monosodium glutamate (MSG), ethylene glycol (also found in antifreeze) and aluminum. In fact, various studies have shown that individuals who have more than five flu shots in consecutive years are 10 times more likely to get Alzheimer’s due to Aluminum toxicity. (One such study was conducted by Dr. Hugh Fudenberg, Founder and Director of Research, NeuroImmuno Therapeutic Research Foundation)

Does the flu vaccine protect against all throat, respiratory, gastrointestinal and ear infections?
The flu vaccine only protects against the three specific viral strains, which are included in any given year’s flu vaccine. Throat, respiratory, gastrointestinal and ear infections caused by bacteria or other kinds of viruses are not prevented by getting an annual flu shot.

Vaccination against the flu does not protect against SARS or the complications of SARS. The World Health Organization is urging a worldwide flu vaccination campaign in the belief that high vaccination coverage can decrease the possibility of misdiagnosing flu as SARS and help in the early identification of a SARS outbreak. The CDC however is not recommending the flu vaccine for this purpose since the flu vaccine is not 100 percent effective and the suggested benefits in regards to SARS cannot be reliable.

Why do doctors say I have to get a flu vaccine every year?
Like all vaccines, the flu vaccine only gives a temporary immunity to the virus strains or closely related virus strains contained in the vaccine. The only way to get natural and permanent immunity to a strain of flu is to recover naturally from the flu. Natural immunity to a particular strain of flu can be protective if that strain or closely related strains come around again in the future. However, because the vaccine only provides a 70 to 80 percent chance of temporary immunity to selected strains and those strains may or may not be prevalent each year, doctors say you have to get a flu shot every year.

Are there reactions to the flu vaccine? The most common reactions, which begin within 12 hours of vaccination and can last several days are: fever, fatigue, painful joints and headache.

The most serious reaction that has been associated with flu vaccine is Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS) which occurs most often within two to four weeks of vaccination. GBS is an immune mediated nerve disorder characterized by muscle weakness, unsteady gait, numbness, tingling, pain and sometimes paralysis of one or more limbs or the face. Recovery takes several months and can include residual disability. Less than 5 percent of GBS cases end in death.

Brain and nerve disorders such as encephalopathy, optic neuritis, partial facial paralysis, and brachial plexus neuropathy as well as vasculitis have also been reported following the flu vaccine, although a definite causal relationship has no been established.

What are contraindications to the flu vaccine?
Among high risk factors listed by the CDC and the vaccine manufacturers are anyone who:
(1) is sick with a fever;
(2) has an egg allergy;
(3) has a mercury allergy;
(4) has a history of Guillain-Barre syndrome.

If immunosuppressed individuals receive the flu vaccine they may not get an adequate protective antibody response.

Is the vaccine safe during pregnancy?
In years past, pregnancy was also a contraindication to flu vaccine but, today, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) of the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) recommends flu vaccine for women more than 14 weeks pregnant.

The package inserts published by the flu vaccine manufacturers state that “Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with influenza virus vaccine. It is also not known whether influenza virus vaccine can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman. Although animal reproductive studies have not been conducted, the prescribing health care provider should be aware of the recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. The ACIP states that if used during pregnancy, administration of influenza virus vaccine after 14 weeks of gestation may be preferable to avoid coincidental association of the vaccine with early pregnancy loss.”

Pregnant women should be aware that the flu vaccine contains Thimerosal, which is a mercury derivative. Mercury is toxic to the brain and has been found to be associated with brain damage and developmental delays in babies whose mothers were exposed to high levels of mercury during pregnancy.

What about mercury in the vaccine?
In 1999, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) directed the vaccine manufacturers to take mercury out of all childhood vaccines. In October 2001, the Institute of Medicine issued a report that said it is “biologically plausible” that mercury-containing vaccines could cause injury to the brain but there have been too few scientific studies conducted to prove conclusively that mercury in vaccines has caused brain damage."

Nevertheless, the Institute of Medicine recommended that drug companies take all mercury out of all vaccines and over-the-counter drugs.

In compliance with this recommendation a preservative-free vaccine formulated for children ages 6 to 35 months, with only a trace amount of Thimerosal, is available in a limited amount. It is distinguished by a pink syringe plunger rod in the pre-filled syringe. All adult formulations still contain Thimerosal.

Is Flu Vaccine Recommended for Children?
One consideration with the mass use of flu vaccine in healthy children is the removal of natural antibodies to flu which are obtained from natural infection. The question of whether it is better for healthy children, who rarely suffer complications from flu, to get the flu and develop permanent immunity to that flu strain or it is better for children to get vaccinated every year to try to suppress all flu infection in early childhood is a question that has yet to be adequately answered by medical science.

Although in the past the flu vaccine has not been recommended for healthy children, today vaccination of children older than 6 months of age is strongly recommended by the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) of the CDC.

What About The New Nasal-Spray Flu Vaccine?
A live-virus nasal flu vaccine, FluMist, was approved for use in June 2003. Its approved use is limited to healthy people between the ages of 5 and 49. This excludes its use in those considered at greatest risk from the disease - the very young and the elderly.

Who should not receive the FluMist vaccine?
(1) pregnant women
(2) people with asthma
(3) people with chronic lung or heart disease
(4) people with chronic underlying medical conditions such as diabetes or kidney disorders
(5) anyone allergic to any part of the vaccine including eggs
(6) children or adolescents receiving aspirin therapy
(7) those with a history of Guillain-Barre syndrome
(8) people with known or suspected immune system problems or who are immune-suppressed due to treatment with steroids, chemotherapy, radiation or other immunosuppressive therapies or their close contacts
(9) children younger than 5 and adults over 50.

Due to the possibility of spreading the virus, individuals receiving the vaccine are advised to avoid close contact with immune-compromised individuals for at least 21 days.

Is it safe to give with other vaccines?
No studies have shown the safety of giving FluMist along with other vaccines; therefore it should NOT be given along with any other vaccine. The product manufacturer’s insert advises waiting at least two weeks after receiving a killed vaccine and at least one month after receiving a live-virus vaccine (MMR, Chicken pox).

How is the new vaccine administered?
Unlike the standard flu vaccine given by injection, which contains a dead virus, the vaccine is squirted up the nose and contains a diluted, live virus that could endanger people with weak immune systems. The live vaccine virus has been shown to shed for up to 3 weeks after receiving the vaccine.

What are the reactions to the vaccine?
Reported adverse effects to FluMist in children include runny nose, nasal congestion, cough, sore throat, headache, irritability, decreased activity, fever, chills, muscle aches, and vomiting.

In adults the most common side effects were runny nose, cough, sore throat, headache, muscle aches, fever, chills and tiredness or weakness.

Other adverse events that occurred in children were abdominal pain, asthma, bronchitis, conjunctivitis, viral syndrome, otitis media (middle ear infection), and wheezing or shortness of breath.

How is the vaccine made?
FluMist is prepared by introducing influenza viruses into eggs where they are allowed to multiply. Fluid from the eggs is processed and sucrose, potassium phosphate and monosodium glutamate (MSG) are added as stabilizers. The antibiotic Gentamicin is also added during the manufacturing process. FluMist does not contain any preservatives.
What should I do?
Become educated about the flu and its benefits and risks and the vaccine and its benefits and risks and make an informed decision after consulting multiple sources of information and discussing your questions with one or more health professionals.


  1. MMWR Recommendations and Reports “Prevention and Control of Influenza: Recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)” April 25, 2003
  2. Fluzone 2003-2004 Formula, Aventis Product information as of July 2003
  3. Influenza Virus Vaccine Live, Intranasal Flumist 2003-2004 Formula, Package Insert (Circular) June 16, 2003

For more information on the risks of this vaccine for those with immune deficiency please visit the Immune Deficiency Foundation.
Manufacturer’s Package Insert.


Just two points, I really, really dislike some pseudoscience that’s been going around lately, hurting and even killing children:
The link between vaccines/thimerosal and autism HAS BEEN DISPROVEN over and over. There are only three studies ever linking them; two have been retracted and the other is flawed. ALL other studies find no link WHATSOEVER.
Why do I care? Because this has led parents to not vaccinate their children, and cases of preventable, potentially lethal diseases are on the rise again. There have been thousands of new hospitalisations due to measles in 2008, much due to people not vaccinating their children. Obviously, the parents think they’re doing the right thing by helping to prevent autism… but they aren’t. They are hurting and in some cases indirectly killing children. (Due to the way vaccines work, not vaccinating your own child can hurt other children just as much, too.)

Second, while aluminum has been found in higher concentrations in Alzheimer’s patients brains, there is no conclusive evidence that aluminum causes it - it might be the other way around, Alzheimer’s makes the body retain aluminum.
Keep in mind that aluminum is in a lot of OTC antacids that are far from being retracted. Still, I’ll be honest here - I avoid aluminum in my “diet”, no doubt about it.

/Tran :slight_smile:

EDIT: I should probably add: I hope I don’t offend anyone with this post.

I agree with you tran.
when I was working for a blind company years ago, I met 2 women with polio,
They were around 50 at the time, they told me of their pain, very sad.
I think you’l find most people here would have their children viccinated.

having said that, who would have thought a flue vaccine would have MSG in it, why?
very strange indeedy…
I knew about the tiny amounts of mercury used in the vaccines, but not MSG
my mother was wondering why she bcame sick after each flu shot , she is highly allergic to MSG.


Our government here in the US is notorious for “cover-ups” -

This was a huge deal here about a year ago. It was considered “a huge win” for those who are against vaccinations. I agree, vaccinations are necessary, but I question the garbage they put in them. I believe there is a link with autism and our government is starting to think so too as can be seen here: … _0306.html

The FDA here in the states is supposed to be our allie. However, look at the way they continue to mislead people with our food labeling. MSG harms people, yet its still allowed to be hidden everywhere. Why should the “average Joe” trust and believe that the government is looking out for their best interest? History has proven over and over, many are harmed before something is taken off the market. What a shame.

Just the tip of the iceburg. Unfortunately at all of our expense.


OOPS! sorry Timeless , Ive never tried butterbur.

Hey Kim,

Remember you asked me NOT to do the MSG test? Well…

Two months ago, when I got my first shipment of PXP they included a sample of their sublingual B12. Sure enough, it had natural cherry flavor. So here’s this itsy bitsy little pill with an itsy bitsy amount of natural cherry flavor in it. I decided to try it out. I had to see if I were MSG sensitive or not. Next day, I was so much worse, enough to scare me. And I never had ups and downs. One day was always the same as the next. That’s what an itsy bitsy amount of MSG can do to you.