Amitriptyline Journey

Hi,
I’m having a tough time at the moment. I’ve been on 20mg of ami for 6 days - and i’m feeling so much worse. I’ve not really improved at all yet and i’ve been on ami for about 6 weeks now. I thought i was meant to see an improvement by now, but i suppose with upping the dosages things get a bit worse for a while everytime. i’m just so eager to get my life back on track, i want to be able to work. I’m only 24 and this is so so hard. I’m a positive person and i want 2013 to be great, but this 24/7 vertigo and awful imbalance which doesn’t even let me walk, is really getting me down.

Any advice is welcome. Thanks, wtc

20mg is a low dose, and you need to be on a med for 3 months before deciding it’s not gonna work for you… Hang in there. Ami was slow to start with for me too.

I know it’s hard but patience is required with MAV.

You will get there. Be kind to yourself.

If it makes you feel better, my vertigo started at your age and was really really bad for 3 months (couldn’t leave my appartment as i could not even stand let alone walk) and bad for 1 year. My doctor said he didn’t know what caused it (after taking so many exams) and said he didn’t know if it would get better and if i would be able to walk again some day.

Physiotherapy and osteopathy is what made me feel better. I even was able to travel to Australia (my dream come true!) 1,5 year later, alone, backpacking… and surf!

It wa son and off for a couple of years and then got awful after i stayed home in my bed for weeks after bad back hernias, early 2011. 2011 and 2012 were awful until my neurologist made me do additional tests to rule out again MS and othe things, and thought it could probably be caused by migraines as i started having bad headaches in the past months. Once i started the medication, things got better and better every week. Now i only have a few very light and short episodes every month. I still can’t do sports, but i can hang out with my friends and enjoy life. I used to take ubuprofen or naproxen a few times a week and now it’s only 2-3 times a month.

I know how hard this can be and how it can affect our whole life and mood. But be patient and believe… i am sure the right treatment will be found. For me it was a mix of manual therapy (for the neck), osteopathy, finding what triggers it (eating lots of nuts, doing sports, being on boats et not respecting my sleep needs) and taking amitryptilin. My sister also has vertigo and amitryptilin works but makes her feel awful (tired, depressed, can’t get out of bed, etc.) So it depends on each person… I guess you need to try different things before you feel better.

Hope you’ll feel better soon :slight_smile:

Hi Whosthatchick,

I’m sorry to hear that the ami hasn’t been working out so far- hopefully at a higher dose it will kick in and you will get some relief. Have you tried any other medications yet?

Thanks so much, these replies have given me another boost of hope and cheered me up.
Thank you all, so so much,

and no, ami is my first drug! x

whosthatchick, I thought I remembered you saying that ami was helping a few weeks ago? was it helping at a lower dose or where you just going through a slightly better phase anyway?

As the others say, maybe persevere a little longer but if still no improvement then could you contact your neuro for their advice and possibly get them to recommend an alternative med for you? x

Hello there,

I’m also on my first MAV drug. Had to take ami 10 mg for 3 weeks and now on 20 mg for a few days.
Haven’t noticed anything yet. Except for crazy, very real like dream/nightmares.
Anyway, if anything changes I’ll let you know.
Hope it will work for you!!

Happy new year too!

BW

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whosthatchick, I thought I remembered you saying that ami was helping a few weeks ago? was it helping at a lower dose or where you just going through a slightly better phase anyway?

As the others say, maybe persevere a little longer but if still no improvement then could you contact your neuro for their advice and possibly get them to recommend an alternative med for you? x

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That’s right Jem! I was feeling a little better for about 4 days - the vertigo wasn’t gone, but i was slightly steadier on my feet and generally more active. . . maybe this dose is just too high for me? It’s so hard to know what to do!

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Hello there,

I’m also on my first MAV drug. Had to take ami 10 mg for 3 weeks and now on 20 mg for a few days.
Haven’t noticed anything yet. Except for crazy, very real like dream/nightmares.
Anyway, if anything changes I’ll let you know.
Hope it will work for you!!

Happy new year too!

BW

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Thanks Belgian Waffle! I’ve got 24/7 rocking but i share your symptoms of wobbling and shifting vision. Good luck on your amitriptyline journey! I did feel a bit better on 10mg for a few days - maybe i’m just so sensitive that that was my magic dose!

It is so hard to know what to do, I agree. I am thinking of reducing my dose of Nortriptyline from 40 to 30mg as I have been so tired since I upped to 40mg. I also seem to keep waking up with a headache. I read that spending too long in the REM sleep phase dreaming can trigger migraines so if the meds are making me spend more time in REM sleep then I guess I am not getting enough deep sleep and I’m thinking it could be nori causing this maybe. It’s hard to figure out. Perhaps you could try going back down to 10mg again x

I’ve sent in a note to my neuro-otologist at NHN&N - i’m going to see what she thinks. I’d rather stay on the ami than trying pizotifen or propanolol - only because of new side effects… but yes - maybe 10mg was the one for me.

I agree with you about the 40mg of nori - but i’d say stick with it for another week before you go down. I had terrible headaches on 10mg but they subsided after 2 weeks… x

JUST GOT SENT THIS INFO FROM THE MIGRAINE TRUST - thought some of you might find comfort in their admitting the frustration of finding the right meds… but you can and do get there eventually.

i’ve been advised by my neuro to stay on 20mg for 6 weeks - and if i’m still not feeling any better to change to topirimate or propanolol. FINGERS CROSSED :stuck_out_tongue:

‘There is increasing recognition that migraine sufferers experience ‘dizziness’ and vertigo more commonly than non-migraineurs and it was first written about in medical literature in 1873. The association between migraine and vertigo is variably termed ‘migrainous vertigo’, ‘vestibular migraine’, ‘migraine related dizziness’ as well as older terms such as ‘benign recurrent vertigo’.

Vertigo can also occur as part of the aura of migraine when it is termed basilar type migraine as there are other associated transient neurological symptoms such as slurred speech, double vision, unsteady walking, impaired consciousness and collapse or bilateral simultaneous sensory aura symptoms, i.e. pins and needles or numbness in both arms and/or legs simultaneously.

Migrainous vertigo may affect between a third and a half of all migraine sufferers at some time during their life. In young children recurrent attacks of rotational vertigo (termed benign paroxysmal vertigo of childhood) can be the first indication that they will develop typical migraine with headache in later life. Migrainous vertigo can however occur at any age with or without headache and is reportedly most common amongst people aged between 25 and 45.

The vertigo of migraine may be a sense of rotational movement “the room spinning like on a roundabout” or less often an illusion of self-movement. Nonspecific unsteadiness, postural imbalance and dizziness are even more common. Vertigo symptoms may be intermittent i.e. attacks similar to episodic headaches. They may arise spontaneously (without an identifiable trigger) or be provoked by positional change, e.g. rapid head movement and less commonly by identifiable migraine triggers such as menstruation.

The duration of attacks is highly variable both between and within individuals and may vary over time. Most commonly attacks of vertigo last minutes to hours with non-specific unsteadiness for days.

Migrainous vertigo may occur without headaches in up to 50% of individuals who experience such attacks and progressive deafness should be absent, but other features of migraine such as light or noise sensitivity or tinnitus (ringing in the ears) may be present. If discrete attacks of rotary vertigo occur especially if there is deafness then ear disorders should be considered as a condition called Menieres Syndrome can also cause similar symptoms. If there is doubt then your doctor should help to distinguish between these entities.

The best treatment is unclear. If vertigo is acute then symptomatic medications taken for a short period (less than two weeks) can prove helpful (prochlroperazine or promethazine). If attacks are frequent or recurrent the same medications used for migraine prophylaxis have been advocated, but there are no prospective trials on best treatment.

If in doubt it is best to consult your doctor to determine if the cause is definitely due to migraine.

by Dr Brendan Davies, Consultant Neurologist.’

You can read about the prophylactic (preventative) treatments for migraine by following this link to a page from the Patient UK website: patient.co.uk/health/medicin … ne-attacks

It can be demoralising to begin on preventative migraine medication as these medicines can take time to start to work, and also it may become necessary to change the dose of your medicine to see if a higher dose will be more effective, or change to another medication. However it is wise to give your medication a fair trial otherwise it may be more difficult to discover which medicine will work best for you. A Frequently Asked Question on The Migraine Trust’s website is about taking preventative medication, the answer was written by a specialist migraine and headache nurse, you can follow the link to read the answer and it is also copied below: migrainetrust.org/faqs?page=4

‘Preventative drugs are generally recommended when people experience three or more migraine attacks per month for at least three consecutive months. There are two reasons for this:
Preventative drugs can help to reduce the frequency of attacks by approximately 50% and therefore improve the individuals’ quality of life;
Reducing the frequency of migraine attacks also sees a corresponding reduction in the use of acute treatments.
A reduction in the use of acute treatments generally improves their efficacy and attacks are brought under control much faster.

There are four groups of drugs commonly used in the prevention of migraine:
Beta-Blockers, e.g. propranolol, atenolol, metoprolol;
Tricyclics, e.g. amitriptyline, imipramine, nortriptyline, dosulepin;
Anti-epileptics, e.g. topiramate, sodium valproate, gabapentin;
5HT2 antagonists, e.g. pizotifen.
We know that these preventors work, what we don’t know is how the individual will respond to them in terms of side-effects and efficacy.

Two of the main reasons that the preventor drugs “don’t work” is that the dose isn’t high enough to be therapeutic and the drug isn’t taken for long enough. In order to give a drug a fair and realistic trial, we would recommend at least three months at a therapeutic dose. Improvement often occurs on a month by month basis.

The third main reason why a preventor fails to be effective is intolerable side effects. If side effects prevent you taking a drug, then it would make sense to try a different one, either within the same drug group or from a completely different drug group.

Preventor drugs are started at low dose and increased over several weeks to reduce the impact of side effects, and to achieve a therapeutic dose for the drug to be effective. This will take perseverance by you to find the right drug that works for you, and will require regular visits to your GP or headache specialist in the initial stages to get the treatment regime correct.

by Jill Murphy, Headache Specialist Nurse.’

It can help to keep a migraine diary to monitor the effectiveness of your medication, please find attached The Migraine Trust’s factsheet about keeping a migraine diary which includes template diary pages that can be duplicated and used to form your migraine diary.

hi 30mg of ami put me on my ass just couldn’t tolerate it felt miles better when I went back down to 10mg and added pitzotifen. I am an advocate of trycilic meds but could not tolerate ami at higher doses and wouldn’t consider myself med sensitive.
pitzotifen is a lot less potent in my opinion but has made me sleepy in the morning but it’s different to the ami in the fact it made me feel drugged I tried the new dose for three weeks but didn’t get used to it. carry on for another few weeks If no better drop it x

Thanks for the info whosthatchick, it sounds like your neuro has suggested a good way forward for you. I may try dropping mine to 30mg for a few days and see if there is any different in the fatigue. I can always try going back up to 40mg again. If I still don’t feel any better I may think about adding Topamax.

Donna - are you going to take the beta blocker and the pill your neuro suggested or you just sticking with the pizotifen for now?

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hi 30mg of ami put me on my ass just couldn’t tolerate it felt miles better when I went back down to 10mg and added pitzotifen. I am an advocate of trycilic meds but could not tolerate ami at higher doses and wouldn’t consider myself med sensitive.
pitzotifen is a lot less potent in my opinion but has made me sleepy in the morning but it’s different to the ami in the fact it made me feel drugged I tried the new dose for three weeks but didn’t get used to it. carry on for another few weeks If no better drop it x

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Hi Blondie - yeah i totally agree with you - i don’t think i’m ever going to go up to 30mg. I’m going to try 20 for a few more weeks then drop it and change to another. It’s interesting that you’re using two at once - my neuro has suggested only one or the other. She said new guidelines have been released today which show that topirimate and propanolol are the most effective in migraine prophylaxis. So fingers crossed there too! Thanks for the advice - I’m also med sensitive - i’m like a baby when it comes to meds. Glad you’re feeling a bit better at the moment!

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Thanks for the info whosthatchick, it sounds like your neuro has suggested a good way forward for you. I may try dropping mine to 30mg for a few days and see if there is any different in the fatigue. I can always try going back up to 40mg again. If I still don’t feel any better I may think about adding Topamax.

Donna - are you going to take the beta blocker and the pill your neuro suggested or you just sticking with the pizotifen for now?

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Hi Jem - when i first tried to go up to 20mg of Ami i had to go back down to 15mg for another week and then up it again - maybe you could try that - go down to 30mg tonight, and stick there for another week or 2 and then try going back up again, it’s always less sensitive the second time. x

Yes think I will do that sounds like a good idea. I am interested about what your neuro said about topiramate and propanolol. I have already tried a beta blocker and it made me very tired and woozy so if I add another med in the next few months then I think I will go for Topamax. Which one would you try next? x

umm i’m not sure. Apparently Topirimate can lower your mood, and i’m not exactly feeling positive right now! I’d probably try the propanolol first, although i’ll have to have my blood pressure checked every 2 weeks as it ws a little bit low when they last checked. Good idea Jem - trust your body - it knows best and if it’s feeling unhappy, it’s probably asking to go slower x

Oh really, I read that topamax is a good mood stabiliser and they use it for people with bi-polar whereas with beta blockers it says they can exacerbate fatigue and depression. I only tried the beta blocker for a few days and it did have that effect on me so I had to stop. I am very scared about trying topamax though because of all the other potential side effects. I think beta blockers are considered safer so you would probably be wise to try those first but I don’t think they are great if you are feeling in a low mood. It is different for different people though so worth trying everything to be sure. Let us know how you get on x

The topamax is an anti-convulsant… so it’s pretty powerful stuff. I have friends who are on it for bi-polar who have said they got vertigo as a side effect, not as bad as we do, but i found that interesting - although of course, that’s at a higher dose. . . which we wouldn’t take for migraine prophylaxis.

Thanks Jem, will keep you posted.